在家进行 SEO:大流行期间的外展实践

已发表: 2021-10-08

我们与来自 Page One Power 的 Danica Laurence 坐下来讨论了 SEO 的电子邮件推广,以及在大流行期间您可能希望对策略进行的调整。 您应该关注一些事情 - 并且可能会改变您接触潜在网站的方式。

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0:00:06.5 Ben Jacobsen:欢迎回来,你们。 我的名字是 Ben Jacobson,我是 Page One Power of SEO 的主持人,我很高兴能再次和你们一起回来,已经过去了几个星期,我们真的很高兴能有我们的 Page One Power,我们非常拥有 Danica,我们将讨论电子邮件外展。 我们今天将讨论一些主题,就您如何对外展和链接建设策略应该做的事情进行小幅调整和更改。 所以这一切都在发生。 我们非常兴奋,如果你们之前没有加入我们在家进行 SEO,这个系列基本上是我们在大流行开始时整理的内容,只是为了保持 SEO 社区的联系并尝试让人们一个平台,继续分享他们对 SEO 的一些见解和信息。 我们已经完成了一些情节,从 PPC 到站点地图,再到技术 SEO、内容写作,以及介于两者之间的一切。 所以今天我们将更多地关注事物的外展方面,以及在这个类似的前所未有的一年中,您应该如何进行这些调整。 我想每个人都厌倦了听到这个世界最近有多疯狂,所以我们在这里只是给你一些关于你如何为此做好准备的信息。

0:01:32.4 Ben Jacobsen:在今天的演讲中,我们也将进行录制,所以如果你们必须随时离开,请不要担心,我们会在我们的 YouTube 频道上发布这些内容,并且在我们的网站上,我们会尽量在周一之前完成,如果可以的话,24-48 小时,但请放心,它会在那里。 综上所述,我们也期待看到你们目前如何开展外展活动,我们鼓励你们提出问题并与我们交谈。 Danica 和我今天要进行对话,我们将讨论一些一般问题,但我们希望你们也加入进来,如果你想这样做,下面有一个聊天框或问答框。 如果您想插话,其中任何一个都是与我们联系的好地方。我们将尽最大努力回答这些问题,在我们可以的时候,但如果您没有机会提问最后我们也会为你们提出一些问题,所以我会离开我的肥皂盒,在这里喝水,你们,今天我们有丹妮卡劳伦斯和我们在一起。

0:02:35.7 Ben Jacobsen:她将再次谈论大流行期间的电子邮件外展。 所以丹妮卡,告诉我们更多关于你自己以及我们今天要谈论的内容。

0:02:46.8 Danica Laurence:我是 Danica Laurence,我在 Page One Power 制作团队的研究部门担任经理,我专门与我们的外展团队合作。 去年我们经历的一件事,当大流行真的来袭,每个人都开始觉得这只是外展带来的挣扎和压力时,我们真的必须调整和重新审视我们与人交谈的方式,我们如何伸出援手对人们来说,尤其是在冷门外展方面,其中一件事……我们真正注意到的一件事是个人生活影响的影响如此之大,您会看到在这段时间里它确实被放大了。 真正突出的事情之一是我们正在联系的人的工作描述和工作职责发生了怎样的变化。 由于我们只是重新审视我们的策略,我们发现在我们的电子邮件推广中继续“以人为本”非常重要。 我们会再多谈一点,但是有些人正在接管其他人的工作职责,这真是令人失望,但是如果有人可以继续拥有网站管理员,那么我们会联系很多学校教师正在运行他们的页面,而通常网站管理员会...

0:04:35.5 Danica Laurence:所以像这样的微小变化真的、真的改变了你与人交谈的方式。 我们开始的一件事,至少是我们的核心,是了解我们的业务或客户的业务,以及他们提供的产品和资产。 我们为我们部门的内容做了很多外展,这是有用的信息。 通常,这些是我们为两个不同的在线受众提供的指南或操作方法,因此除了了解该内容以及它在当今世界如何适用于这些在线受众之外,我们发现它们非常重要。 我们发现许多对人们最有用的内容是任何与健康、心理健康相关或与新冠病毒相关的内容,我相信你们中的很多人都已经看到了与新冠病毒和大流行相关的内容,这是与大流行相关的内容,但对此有一些真正的重要性,尤其是当您谈论教师和学生时,我们确实吸引了大量观众。 远程学习对于很多人来说确实是一个新的、狂野的西部,尤其是至少在博伊西来回,远程学习和面对面学习之间有很多来回。

0:06:20.6 Danica Laurence:所以是一半一半。 只是,它确实改变了学生的不同挣扎,所以当我们与老师交谈时,通常会是,“这就是为什么这对你的工作有帮助,这就是为什么它对已经在努力获得通过前所未有的事情和他的新学习。” 因此,当您再次进行外展时,您想了解您提供的资产或业务或服务,您想了解它与您的在线受众的关系,并且您想知道他们正在经历什么,并且真的批判性地思考该行业发生了什么变化,因为每个行业都不同。 我谈过一些与教育相关的行业,但也有与老年人和医疗保健相关的服务、企业和网站,它们在运作方式方面发生了疯狂的变化,尤其是流程和运作方式,以及网站正在经历如此多的重新设计和更新以适应远程医疗。 有很多新事物存在,并且在您进行外展活动时意识到这一点非常重要。

0:07:47.8 Ben Jacobsen:当然,我认为随着这些变化,正如你提到的,你想要对这些保持敏感,你也想要确保你正在做你的尽职调查和研究,只是重申几乎你说的是多花几分钟看看你是否能看到他们正在改变的任何迹象,如果你能看出老师正在运行他们自己的网站,这与拥有管理员或网站管理员相比有很大的不同,以及为什么你要直接找到源头,我经常认为在外展和 SEO 中,我们总是谈论守门人,你和决策者之间的人,他们是否会包括你的资源。 这些角色正在发生很大变化,至少我注意到很多人似乎承担了更多的责任,如果有的话,人们承担的角色似乎正在扩大,所以现在我们有了现在成为网络管理员的教师,我们有管理所有这些不同事物的人,它甚至可以将自己呈现为一个独特的机会,因为您可以直接与某人交谈以了解您正在展示的研究,所以有也有其他看待它的方式,通过正确的研究,您实际上甚至可以将其视为对您有利的角度。

0:09:16.4 Danica Laurence:是的,绝对的,我认为,尤其是这与您无法在没有潜在客户的情况下发送电子邮件有关,您必须知道您要找谁。 对我们来说,我们正在建立链接,所以我们试图找到不同的链接页面和资源页面,我们正在确定这些目标和那些联系人,这是研究的很大一部分,在你确定之后在线受众以及谁会发现您提供的内容有用或谁可能需要它。 研究的下一个重要步骤是弄清楚你需要与谁交谈以及这些变化是什么,通常这需要现在去社交媒体是另一个你应该关注的地方,看看发生了什么,正在发生什么更新业务,但考虑到去年有几次裁员,这彻底改变了你谈话的对象,尽管如此可悲,我们仍然有工作要做,喜欢与我们联系的人真的发生了变化,只是日常,就像你说的,人们的角色和责任正在扩大。 这是真的。 因此,当您在寻找要联系的人时,您希望为我们的目的找到合适的收件人或电子邮件,因为如果它让其他人已经在做额外的工作并且这不属于他们的职责范围,他们将忽略您的电子邮件,因为他们还有很多其他事情发生。 甚至花时间把你推荐给合适的人可能是......这将成为他们待办事项清单的底部,就像你一样......

0:11:13.3 Ben Jacobsen:我也有罪,对吧?

0:11:14.8 Danica Laurence:没错,这里也是。 优先考虑不同的事情有一种魔力,从某人那里收到一封冷邮件可能不在您的列表顶部,这没关系,但也可以理解,因为您正在为任何事情制定外展策略...... SEO 营销方面重新做只是知道时间是另一件重要的新事物,我们已经真正意识到在收到人们的回复和链接上线之间有更多的延迟。 我们有些人没有回复我们,但最终因为他们没有时间而将链接放在他们的网站上,这很好,因为在某种程度上,他们发现资源或我们客户的资产有用并决定,“嘿,这在网站上已经足够好了”,但是发送电子邮件并不足以让他们说“是的,我们这样做了”,他们只是这样做,因为那时他们有空闲时间这样做。

0:12:26.0 Ben Jacobsen:我认为这应该是我过去做过很多外展的事情,要记住的是,只是要注意回复冷的外展电子邮件将非常低每个人的名单。 对。 我认为任何做过链接建设的人都知道你会得到很多没有回应,没有人会回答你,或者如果有人会告诉你回复并告诉你嗡嗡声,有会有这么多,但只要明白它在他们的列表中会非常低,你有多少次在 LinkedIn 上被击中,或者有人说,“嘿,我可以提供 X、Y、Z ”,这不是我真正想要的那样,“哦,伙计,我需要联系某个在 LinkedIn 上找到我的名叫 Greg 的随机人”,因此要提前了解并将其实施到您的策略中以及为什么它对他们有益,比如如果它在他们的优先级列表中很低,你能做些什么来提高他们的优先级列表,我向他们展示了什么价值。

0:13:35.7 Danica Laurence:这个信息,清晰和简洁,我们在我们的部门讨论这个,但你不想包括一堆绒毛,这是另一回事,人们有,人们很忙,所以你可以说得越清楚,你问他们的问题就越简洁,增加的价值是什么,包括号召性用语,真正启动对话以使其发生是非常重要的。 我的意思是,我们现在看到的更多的价值实际上是我们的客户如何工作或服务如何有益于受众如何受到当今世界的影响。 我提到了老师和学生,这是我们与之交谈的大量受众,如果您考虑 ED 和公立学校和学区,他们构成了互联网的很大一部分。 每当我们拥有对老师、孩子或家长有用的资源,帮助他们的孩子在家学习时,我们都会强调这一点,并且谁在前面结束,这是一般的事情,当你正在与人交谈并发送冷邮件,你正在与另一个人交谈,你会要求他们做一些事情,他们本质上并不是在帮你一个忙,所以与他们联系在那个层面上真的很像……这应该是您在浏览和输入电子邮件时的一个关键思考过程。

0:15:21.6 本·雅各布森:前几天我什至在想一件事,我觉得自从我自己从每天定期进行外展活动过渡以来,我开始注意到,再次,寻找只是......作为网站管理员在接收端查看更多,所以这有点酷,因为我在链接构建和外展等方面有经验,所以它让我可以看到双方硬币。 前几天让我印象深刻的一件事是在我的手机上,当我收到通知时,我很少......尤其是电子邮件,如果我不知道电子邮件的用途,我就不会期待它,或者它是不是立即引起我注意的东西,我打开的机会一直在减少。 这不是什么地方...再说一次,我只是想一想,比如当你打开你的手机,你有所有的通知,你看着它,你会做一些向下滑动的事情,所以它会显示更多或诸如此类,你会得到那个小小的片段,想想你是否在那里添加了一堆额外的绒毛,或者你想,嘿,我们只是伸出手,博伊西有点冷,而我只想...

0:16:35.7 Ben Jacobsen:有一点个性化的作用真的很长,但它必须......同样,我认为你之前使用的术语非常简洁,它需要清楚,它需要简明扼要,它需要对您实际提供的内容真实是你一直在追求和作为一个一直为此进行外展的人的好处,伙计,至少如果我知道你在外展什么,也许四五个月后。 也许我会说,“当,我确实需要有人进来给我们所有的视频加上字幕”,这可能是件大事,但如果我不知道杰瑞或任何人在 LinkedIn 上联系我的事情,我不知道,我永远也看不到他的服务,但至少在前面的人,至少我知道他们提供什么,即使我不感兴趣。

0:17:39.6 Danica Laurence:不过,另一方面...我们团队的一些成员,我注意到有些人只是想谈谈,所以你传达了明确、直接的信息在他们回复的初始电子邮件中,他们希望在人际互动中进行对话。 有时,在一天中抽出额外的时间与这些人交谈并说:“嘿,最近怎么样?”是值得的。 因为当经营宠物 X、Y 和 Z 网站的 Susan 时,就像,“哦,我的狗。 今天过得很愉快。” 回复一张你的狗的照片。 它不会......而且我认为大多数人都感受到了某种孤立,尤其是那些在家里远程工作的营销人员,他们看不到办公室里的人,他们问的是现实生活中的人们一堆,有时人们只是想进行那种对话,所以感觉出来看看真的很重要。 从简洁明了的消息开始,但是当人们回复你时阅读房间,我认为有很多社交线索表明某人何时想要进行对话或何时有人想要非常快速的交易类型对话。

0:19:06.0 本·雅各布森:一个很好的观点。 你觉得那是……我们在开始之前甚至谈过一点。 我在这里也有点孤立感,幸运的是,我每天都可以通过视频与工作人员交谈,但与此同时,这种孤立感仍然存在。 您是否觉得您的团队注意到有些人倾向于更多对话,或者这只是您在进行外展时必须感受到的某种东西?

0:19:38.7 丹妮卡·劳伦斯:这只是你必须去感受的事情。 有一件事,我认为就其中一些人之间的共性而言,我提到过的典型人,XYZ 宠物网站的苏珊,我们谈论的是小企业主,他们可能看不到很多人,我认为业余爱好者是另一群人……他们与人打交道,这不仅仅是他们的营销工作,就像,这是真的,这是他们所做的事情背后的热情,而那些通常甚至更早到去年 2 月或 3 月,那些无论如何都想交谈并进行更多交谈的人说,“哦,这是一个真实的人。 哦,天哪,他们实际上查看了我的网站,他们确实了解为什么这对我如此重要,或者为什么我在做我现在做的事情”,而这些人真的......你可以知道何时有人在电子邮件中回复并说, “哦,这是一个非常棒的资源,我要去看看。 你们还有其他资源吗?” 我们有人要回答,“你今天过得怎么样?” 作为营销人员,作为发送冷门外展的人,有人回应并说“哦,你好吗”,例如......

0:21:14.7 Danica Laurence:这绝对是一个反常现象,实际上,在谈到电子邮件基础知识时,您要确保与正确的人交谈,要确保您的主题行突出且清晰,以便无论您将其发送给谁,都知道电子邮件的内容,您希望您的信息和您的附加值简单明了,并且您的号召性用语应该强调为什么这对他们和他们的受众很重要。 另一件事,要记住我有时会想,尤其是我还没有看到这种情况发生,但是在过去的六七个月里,我在不同的论坛上在线阅读,但不要忘记也要专业,包括电子邮件签名。 我知道我们在家工作,我们穿着紧身裤、运动裤和职业上衣,对,但是在您继续进行外展活动并重新审视您的策略时,您仍然需要牢记某些事情. 我们部门一直在谈论的一件事是提供视频通话,就像我们联系的人的一个选项,包括使用 Zooms 或 Google Meets 的选项。

0:22:48.6 Danica Laurence:这是否可以帮助外展人员,是否值得花时间发送电子邮件、发送个性化电子邮件,然后鼓励他们不仅与您联系以回复您,还可以建立一个通话,15 分钟的通话是否比交换 5 或 10 封电子邮件更值得? 也许。 我们还没有尝试过,但这是值得思考的事情,Zoom 已经成为...... Zoom 和视频会议已经成为人们生活中如此正常的方面。

0:23:28.6 Ben Jacobsen:我认为现在视频会议和视频通话的常见场所是如此普遍以至于我昨天有人试图与我安排通话,但我很惊讶这不是视频通话. 我想,“哦,我准备好了。 我开灯了,我可以走了,准备好了吗?” 然后就像,“好的,我会在五分钟内给你打电话。 在你的手机上”,我想,“哦,好吧,好吧,那也很好”。 但就这样,我想……至少在我做外展和其他事情的时候,我总是有点胆小,只是有点假设……我不知道,我想也许我被打败了有点,但只是假设人们对此并不真正感兴趣,但现实是,我认为人们变得更加精明,并且更加适应......伙计,如果你可以... 15 分钟,如果你能解释为什么你的资源很有价值,他们知道你是一个真实的人,你甚至愿意上视频,这会给人一种权威和验证的感觉,我想有这么多人得到...

0:24:44.9 Ben Jacobsen:尤其是网站管理员,我总是因为链接请求而受到攻击,而且有很多垃圾请求,还有很多机器人。 有一个......只是大量的废话......由于缺乏更好的术语,就像如果你喜欢,我真的认为这表明你愿意采取额外的或下一步,这似乎并不多也许从表面上看,但我认为只要把自己放在那里,在他们面前变得脆弱,我想,“嘿,如果你愿意,可以通过电话和我交谈”,我认为这会让他们更有信心你提供的东西和你提供的东西不像是一些诈骗活动或其他什么......是的,他们会看到与真人交谈的机会......这很重要。

0:25:49.1 Danica Laurence:花时间回复,无论是通过视频会议、电话还是电子邮件,这是我们注意到的另一件事,去年有几次个人接管了运行他们的网站,但他们不知道如何添加指向他们网站的链接。 所以花点时间解释一下,尽管对于 SEO 或营销人员来说,关于如何进入网站后端似乎很愚蠢,但这里是您输入的不同代码和您输入的文本在此特定页面上创建链接。 这是我们不得不做的事情,就像在回复中富有同情心一样非常重要,如果这意味着接电话、进行视频通话或屏幕共享,就像我们部门正在开始的事情一样看看...因为时代在变,即使在事情真的变得更加正常,或者至少我们的新规范建立之后,我认为我们仍然可能处于过渡期,但是一旦新规范真正建立,我会预见到,作为电子邮件营销的重要组成部分,正在进入对话,进入牧场主,实际上只是……

0:27:24.4 Danica Laurence:我不认为对话会保持电子邮件到电子邮件,这没关系。 我认为从电子邮件外展开始是非常有价值的,因为您可以正确地开始对话,但对其他人的沟通方式和他们的舒适度持开放态度是非常重要的。

0:27:50.1 Ben Jacobsen:有一件事,甚至......在过去的几周里,我一直在考虑使用人们再次在 LinkedIn 上联系的例子,确实有一些那里有很棒的软件,你们实际上可以在电子邮件或消息中做一个快速的小视频介绍,如果你说,“嘿,我们有一个资源,我认为这会很棒在你的网站上,它是关于救灾,或者是关于如何在大流行中保持安全”,就像你有这些资源一样。 但是外展,而不仅仅是一封电子邮件,就像一个 30 秒的小视频,你说,“嘿,我去了你的网站,宠物点 XYZ,它有很好的内容,但我认为你可以使用它” ,如果你只是展示它们,你甚至可以制作你的屏幕截图,有一些非常先进的工具可以真正让你自己与其他正在外展的人区分开来。 同样,我认为这是关于提供视频通话的想法,甚至只是主动向他们发送您正在谈论的内容的视频,有时我会很忙,如果我在不知道的情况下看到几段文字这是怎么回事,或者我不知道它来自谁。 那时我不太可能读到,也许只是点击一个播放按钮,所以谁知道...但是就如何与人建立联系而言,那里有很多不同的机会,尤其是现在,我觉得这正在发生变化超级迅速。

0:29:28.2 Danica Laurence:即使你正在经历和考虑这些事情,只要看看目标和你接触的人并了解他们的价值观,这真的有助于告诉你什么正在做,特别是如果有人说,不要给我打电话或给我发电子邮件,这是你应该认真对待的事情,如果他们不是故意的,他们就不会把它放在他们的网页或他们的联系表格上。 当有人确实包含了这些说明时,按照这些说明与我联系是最好的方式当你在研究如何联系和联系谁时,考虑并一定要留意你正在寻找的潜在客户。 您说得对,现在有大量工具和许多外展工具,包括不同的功能,可帮助您包含视频链接并使其更加用户友好且不会出现故障。 人们正在通过这些软件工作,它正在增长……这是一个不断增长的机会。 确实。

0:30:58.1 本·雅各布森:是的,并且您坚持“嘿,不要通过电子邮件与我联系。” 如果你想把它放在你的网站上,或者把它放在你的联系区域或列出的任何地方,你很可能已经被人轰炸了,你不得不竭尽全力对此要明确,因为如果您正在阅读该内容,那么您可能不是第一个试图联系该网站管理员的人。 尤其是当他们回复一封类似“请停止给我发电子邮件”的电子邮件时,甚至只是回复并表示“好的,谢谢”的想法。 即便如此,我只是不...如果我回复垃圾邮件,就像不要再给我发电子邮件,不要给他们发电子邮件。 我不得不竭尽全力回复那个,而正常的删除或继续或其他什么,但如果有人不走他们的路,请注意这一点。 我想到了你自己,把你自己放在他们的位置上,但真的......你会多么恼火回复一封冷淡的电子邮件,比如,停止。

0:32:14.0 Ben Jacobsen:如果你已经到了那个地步,别再推了,你不会得到一个链接......

0:32:18.6 Danica Laurence:我也认为,从这一点出发,无论何时您发送电子邮件,您都应该自己接收该电子邮件,无论是初始电子邮件还是后续电子邮件,只需回复你和人在一起,如果你不想当面告诉别人,不要把它放在电子邮件中,如果你不能收到那封电子邮件,不要像......我想这是一个非常好的直觉检查,特别是如果你没有同事来审核或阅读你发送的内容,这是一个非常有价值的工具,你周围的人拥有非常好的集体知识并利用它当您发送电子邮件时非常重要,但如果您不是,或者您只是在该区域内自主工作,如果您不会将其发送给自己或可以接收它,并且您不会说出来一个人给另一个人,只是不要发送它。

0:33:26.3 Ben Jacobsen:我觉得这可能是一个很好的经验法则,让我们称之为它是什么,链接建设和搜索引擎优化和外展以及其他东西已经在努力重建其在营销领域内的声誉。 垃圾邮件反向链接请求的想法已经发挥了作用,尽自己的一份力量尝试压制它并成为......只是要尊重并直截了当地了解正在发生的事情以及为什么它对人们有益。 我认为,再一次,如果您正在做的事情真正有利于您所联系的人,那么如果您确实针对正确的网站,那么进行直觉检查应该是一件非常容易的事情。你实际上提供了真正的价值,就像你不应该对发送它有任何恐惧或犹豫,因为你实际上正在做一些可能对某人真正​​有益的事情。

0:34:24.5 Danica Laurence:当然,我也认为在这一点上,我们经常谈论的事情之一,至少在我们的组织中是内容和内容的质量,这是您继续讨论的内容创建内容,只考虑谁在线需要,当然是什么类型的内容,考虑关键字和您会考虑的所有自然搜索引擎优化标记,还只考虑您要与谁交谈以及他们将要做什么作为广泛的受众,现在通过现在很重要,例如......我们所做的一件事是我们谈论不同......之间的季节性......在不同的利基和组织之间,税收季节就在这里,所以联系注册会计师也许不是最好的时间...为您或您要接触的人花费的最佳时间,但考虑到在您创建内容和起草外展时这些类型的情况和场景,比如...你应该知道,与经济援助的广告交谈八月的宣教办公室可能不会带你去任何地方。 如果有的话,你只会让你试图联系的人感到沮丧,考虑到那些可能影响目标联系人正在做的事情的不同季节性也非常重要。

0:36:20.2 Danica Laurence:这很棒,因为在在线营销中,是的,我们一直在进行营销,而且我们经常经常使用电脑,但现在人们也是如此,或者他们在家工作与孩子和宠物一起,只要理解并考虑到这一点就可以真正改变您的外展尝试的结果,例如,您不想给妈妈博主发消息并说应该优先考虑工作或向他们发送有关工作方式的资产比努力平衡你的工作生活更重要,我不认为,我有一个蹒跚学步的孩子,这不会引起我的共鸣。 尤其是现在,当我每周有两天在家和她一起工作时。 这只是需要考虑的事情。

0:37:20.4 Ben Jacobsen:而且我觉得我必须在家里每次 SEO 时都这么说,但这就像,再一次,记住你是在和人类交谈,你是在向人类推销,非常......你'正在设计 SEO,您正在为人类编写内容,您正在寻找对人类有价值的链接,这是我们开展外展活动的事情之一,或者我们将日复一日地创建内容, and granted, it for sure is going to become just a job. It doesn't take long until it's just like, Okay, I'm just doing a task, I'm going through the things you're going through this steps, which is fine, but just still keeping that air of like, Oh yeah, I know that this is just another outreach, I'm not putting a face with this email address. But really it is, it's people, and if you just take that extra couple of seconds to consider what is this scenario, what's the situation potentially like for this person, you're reaching out to... A perfect example, if you're talking with a mommy blogger that focuses on family and children and raising kids and being a part-time entrepreneur along with how to raise kids, some of those things that are all about very niche specific subjects, like you would wanna pitch something to them that's completely outside of that sphere.

0:38:57.4 Ben Jacobsen: You wouldn't wanna pitch them like a resource about what to do after a hurricane, that's not gonna be super relevant on their website, same sort of thing with the outreach, you would do that with your resource, you wouldn't wanna pitch them a completely off the wall resource and the same sort of thing with how you're actually interacting and engaging with them, you're gonna be like, :Hey, hey, Judy, how's it going? Do you guys catch the game..”. You wanna try to talk to your audience. I talk to them or open up with things that are going to be pertinent to what's going on, like if you're talking to a mommy blogger, maybe talking about a super bowl, or maybe talking about X, Y, Z, the automotive industry. That has nothing to do with what her blog is, and so why would you reach out with completely irrelevant information is... Don't reach out at irrelevant times, or if it's a... You're reaching out to someone in the finance industry or CPAs right now, they're gonna be a long time before they get back to you and it might be about four times without a response, and then they're kind of like, Get out of here.

0:40:05.5 Ben Jacobsen: I don't wanna talk to you.

0:40:06.9 Danica Laurence: Right? I think another thing to you, at least as you're emailing and drafting emails and just sending or working on outreach campaigns is addressing people by their names. Right, you should be able to do the research and find out who you're talking to, if it just says S Smith at X, Y and Z dot com, I go figure out what the S stands for. There are some nifty tricks you can do because it really is that human connection, I wouldn't refer to you as B Jacobson in person, I'm gonna say “Hi Ben”. There's a difference in the tonality when you do that, and it really can just make or break the communication and the persuasion you have, if people can trust what you're saying, believe you're real and that you're providing valuable things, like it can go a very long way in terms of making your outreach campaigns successful.

0:41:13.5 Ben Jacobsen: And that makes total sense. Again, just putting yourself back in that position, what would you want... And I think that's such a good witness test just to kinda know if you're heading in the right direction. I also really liked what you said before about using other people to bounce your ideas off and say, “Hey, I wrote this outreach, does this sound... Does it sound like it would be effective? Does it sound like it would be something that's reasonable request?” Also, read your audience, I look at the blog, look at their website, look at their LinkedIn, trying to figure out what you can about the site, there's so many resources, and there's so many tools that give you insight into everything. We live in an age where there's not a lot that you can't figure out with the right detective sleuthing online. I feel half of the people here, like semi-amateur FBI agents of investigation, it's crazy what you can find out about a business and who is running it and what they're doing, and man, if you find someone that's running a website about cooking or something, it's a recipe site, and you go to their LinkedIn, you find out they're also in a mountain biking or something like...

0:42:37.6 Ben Jacobsen: You could have a really good edge by making some weird passing mention of like, Oh, I just got done riding and I saw this, I thought this would be a great use those small little nuggets to where you're showing that you're providing more insight into like, “Oh, they know who I am, they know me”. If you can have something that makes you stand out just a little bit, and something that makes it seem like you're not a bot like if you're not a robot. Anything like that, to where it's like, “Oh, that's awesome”. Or you can be like, “Hey, I see that you are also in Seattle, cool.” Make connections in commonality, and that's a really easy way to have a small bit of that small talk without having... It seemed like, “How's the weather over there?”

0:43:27.3 Danica Laurence: One thing I talk about with our new hires is just reading people's About pages can give you so much good information about what their values are, learn the different vernaculars people use. I think it's down to let... Think of Cola soda, soda, pop. There are different places that use those terms more commonly, and when you're talking to someone using the same vernaculars that they do is super important because that's an underlying... That's an underlying connection that resonates with them, so even though you're not flat out saying, “Hey, I'm from the Pacific NorthWest in Boise Idaho, if you're talking to someone in Seattle, just including PNW, we people in Washington, Oregon and Idaho know what that stands for. That is pretty much a given, and just using that type of sleuthing skills can really, really have a great impact on what you're connecting and who you're connecting with.

0:44:49.4 Ben Jacobsen: Love it. Well, we are 45 minutes into this already, I feel like it's been flying by, I just wanted to remind you guys, if you do have any questions, go ahead and pop those in the chat here, we'll probably be wrapping this up here, probably in the next little bit, chose to the top of the hour, I wanted to ask, are you seeing anything right now to where maybe on the other side of the coin, like what are you seeing that you would advise people to avoid. What would be some ideas or things that maybe you've seen where it's like, this is... Maybe you should maybe avoid this.

0:45:26.5 Danica Laurence: I think anything disingenuine where you introduce yourself and part of your message you say, “Oh, I found your blog and your page while I was looking at X, Y and Z”, those are things that people... That we still see that on its face value might seem like, “Oh, I want them to know that I... Like, this is how I found it. This is how I saw their website”. It just doesn't come across well, at least as reading into it, I think another thing that can go both ways is getting very creative with how you're addressing people from a professional versus casual conversation, I think in some instances, in some industries, it makes sense to drop the professionalism, if anything, it's more valuable to talk to a hobbyist who has their own personal website because they love photography and that's just their personal website, they're sharing some things. It's not a professional photographer, but it's just Look at this cool thing I found, or Here are some products that I really like, here are links to some fun local pages. You don't have to use a professional stigma, you can be a little bit more casual, and I think, again, that's something that people forget now that still happens is that you don't have to always be super professional, there are times and places to be very niche and casual and you should use that opportunity.

0:47:11.9 Danica Laurence: I think those are very genuine opportunities, and I would say we don't see enough of those, and granted, as an organization, we are representing our clients, so maintaining that professionalism is super important, but if you're working for yourself and feel comfortable identifying a website where you can probably be a bit more casual. You should do it, that can really go a long way in terms of making you a real person and not a bot., It sounds silly. And again, for professional marketers and people who are running campaigns for their clients can be a little bit finicky in terms of how you're representing your clients, but if you do have the opportunity and you have the capabilities to be a little bit more casual when the time... When there's an appropriate time and place to do it, that's something that some of our tenured employees really advocate for, and there's a reason they do because it really helps with that communication and connection.

0:48:23.7 Ben Jacobsen: It's always best to be more professional than not... Yes, I would definitely say that it can work to be a little bit more casual for sure. I've always, I've always kind of default into just more professional than not, and just airing on that side and then kinda gauge their reaction, like How are they talking back... If they respond back to you and they're like, Yeah, sure. You might be able to do something a little bit more casual. And to your point earlier, reading the room. Look at the site, look at the industry, look at how they're writing in their blogs, I look at their About page, it's an excellent tip. If you're seeing on their about page, they're talking about a lot of their personal life and they're very casual with how they're mentioning things or in their blog, if they use curse words, I know that they're probably a little bit more casual. And that's okay, I would recommend using curse words in your outreach, that's probably a bad idea, but

0:49:36.9 Danica Laurence: Writing in all lower case, there are definitely things to not do... You have to maintain some professionalism, but there is room, there is a room, and I think it's important to know that there is that room to be less of an organization, corporate marketer with a business suit and tie.

0:50:02.7 Ben Jacobsen: Because honestly, that can also push people away, even if you're talking with someone that is kind of professional and your typical business owner, they have an air of professionalism about them, but they're a normal person, if you're too professional, that can also push people away too, 'cause then they're weary... They're like, “What are you trying to sell me?” Right, exactly. So it is, it's kind of a balance. It's a teeter totter of go in, be professional, but also you're willing to talk with them and meet them where they are... For sure. Awesome, well, we are just about at the top of the hour... It's crazy. That's been flying by, I feel like we just started. I did want to mention, we do have a handful of email outreach templates, Danica has actually put together for you guys as a download on mobile, so I'm gonna go ahead and post those in the chat, if you guys just open those up, what that does is it's going to ask you to make a copy of the outreach, but that is a Google Docs, if you click copy, then you can just go in and you can make all the changes you want, but she's included a handful of really great options and examples of maybe different outreach styles that you can do and different things that you can kind of build off of when you're doing your outreach.

0:51:30.9 Ben Jacobsen: Additionally also, Danica did have an excellent article that she wrote on the Page One Power blog, kinda surrounding this topic as well, so if you guys wanna check that out, it puts that on in the chat for you as well, so if you guys have more questions, you can always, of course, reach out to us at Page One Power, you can go to our website, pageonepower.com, or of course you can always say this up on our social media, but I think that... We're just about wrapping up. If you guys do have any other questions or anything, go ahead and pop those in in the last couple of minutes here while we're getting wrapped up, Danica, do you have any other final points or anything that you wanted to cover today?

0:52:12.0 Danica Laurence: I think the overall takeaway really is, everyone's going through some weird times right now, and just understanding, even before this, understanding who you're talking to, what they're going through, and just knowing your audience as you talk to them is something that regardless of whether we're in a pandemic, or post-pandemic, and we have that norm, is something you should just consider every time I send a mail is who am I talking to? Why are they… oh it looks like we're missing links. Really just being aware of that is super important. And that, I think would be the most important takeaway is, as you're talking to people, know who you're talking to, personalize those emails and really just keep an eye on... Keep an eye on what's happening with your audiences, you should know that.

0:53:12.0 Ben Jacobsen: Yeah, and I think that's probably a good lesson to be used in just about every aspect of what you're doing with marketing, understand that everyone's gonna be a little bit different and read your audience read the room. Awesome, real quick, Alicia, I saw it in there that you guys weren't seeing the links, I think I had it set to the wrong setting, can you guys let me know if that's working in the chat for you there. I just wanna make sure you guys get a chance to check those out if you need to, I think I have it set to just send them to Danica and myself. Awesome, cool, thank you so much for letting us know, I'll also be putting these in the description and the show notes of the show, so if you guys are catching this afterwards, watching on YouTube or on our website, we'll also include links to the article as well as that email template, outreach for you guys, Danica, thank you so much for joining us. I know that we had to do a little bit of reschedule from last week, I appreciate you being flexible on that. Thank you guys all for joining in, I can't wait to see you guys on the next one, we have a couple of really awesome episodes coming up, excited to tell you about it.

0:54:23.1 Ben Jacobsen: In the meantime, I hope you guys are staying safe out there and trying to get some interaction with other humans in the safest way you can... Yeah, I appreciate you guys tuning in, and Danica, thanks again for joining me. Yeah, thanks Ben! Awesome, later guys, thanks again. I will see you guys in the next one.